GANGTOK, July 29: The Chief Minister Pawan Chamling today tabled the White Paper on efforts made by the present government in securing Schedule Tribe status for Limboo and Tamang communities and subsequently to secure reservation of seats for the two communities on the second day of the summer session of the Sikkim Legislative Assembly here today.
The following comments from beacononline sheds more light on the issues:
July 30, 2008 at 8:33 pm Please refer to posts #2. The suffix ‘thang’ in Jorethang refers to a valley. Other examples are Yumthang and Chungthang (also spelt Tshungthang) in North Sikkim. There are innumerable such examples i.e. Namthang, Damthang, Pangthang etc. all in Sikkim. The word ‘thang’ means valley in Bhutia language. So Jorethang cannot possibly refer to Jor Singh Thapa. Now with reference to post #7, Magarjung is located just below Pokhriabong (which is below Sukhiapokhri in Darjeeling). That Magarjung must have had more Magar connection because the nearby tea estate known as Nagri is supposed to have come from the word Naya Garhi (or new fort) where the Gorkha army is said to have had a fort when the Anglo-Gorkha war took place in 1814-15.
Also, I want to remind people that the concept of a class-less and caste-less Gorkha society is a fallacy because no one from the non-Kami, Damai, Sarki groups would be willing to have a marital alliance with them. So much so that even among the SC group the Kamis consider themselves to be above the Damais! Sorry folks, but Manu’s concepts are so deeply rooted that even after so much scientific, economic, educational, social and other reforms it cannot be wished away. Do you know that even the Lepchas or Bhutias in Sikkim would not consider a marital alliance with the SC group members? So what have you? Even among Tibetans there is a caste system with the tailor community being higher placed but the butcher community being considered lowly! Go figure
July 30, 2008 at 9:30 pm
A funny situation prevails in Sikkim. There are no general castes among Gorkhas/Nepalis in Sikkim. All General castes in Sikkim are only Biharis/Marwaris/Bengalis etc. Apart from the Tamngs, Limboos, Sherpas, Yalmos who are classified as ST, the Rais, Gurungs, Magars are classfied as MBC (Most Backward Community) while the Chettris, Bahuns, Newars are classifed as OBC (Other Backward Community) by the present government in Sikkim. In fact the present party in power rode on the back of the emotion over Mandal Commission report by championing the OBC status for the Rais, Gurungs, Magars (and even Tamangs & Limboos in 1993-94). However, it later transpired that with the population in Sikkim being predominantly Nepalis/Gorkhas (70-75%) the govt. wanted to please the Bahuns/Chettris/Newars also and they devised a strategy to mollify that lot by classifying them as OBC and elevating (or downgrading?) the erstwhile OBCs such as Rais/Gurungs/Magars as Most Backward Community. Even among the indigenous people the Lepchas and the Bhutias, the govt. has granted the Primitive Status to Lepchas as a sop to differentiate them from Bhutias who are supposed to have migrated to Sikkim in the 16th & 17th century A.D. as per the pronouncement by the Supreme Court of India. However, even during the reign of the erstwhile Chogyal the Limboos (also known as Tsongs or Chongs) were recognised as a separate group not clubbed with Nepalis (in Sikkim it is always Nepali and not Gorkha) and a seat had been reserved for them in the assembly during the reign of the Chogyal. This reserved seat for Limboos was done away with by Morarji Desai and was a prime cause for discontentment among Limboos. Even now while Tamang & Limboos have been classifed as ST no seat has been reserved in the Legislative Assembly primarily because the Bhutia-Lepcha group has vehemently opposed any dilution of their 14 reserved seats in the 32 seat legislature. A way out of the impasse was being considered by increasing the total seats in the legislature to 40 from 32 and keeping the 8 for Tamangs & Limboos. But that too has been met with opposition from the Bhutia-Lepcha lobby who wanted a proportionate share among the 8 seats also.
- insomiacreturns Says:
July 31, 2008 at 12:46 am
Subbas or Limbooo people has distinct identity…language,culture,festivals,script,massive land holdings and have-say especiallly in Sikkim. ie West Sikkim where majority of population is limboo 0r Subba pple.Remote villages in W-Sikkim (bodering East Nepal)speaks Subba language(they refer Nepali language as Parbathay bhasa..) Only Limboo has original Script called Sirijonga-lipi among fellow nepali communities n casts….In Sikkim Subba Language is taught till graduation level…many people from outside Sikkim (and outside India too) are researching about Limboo 0r Subba pple in Sikkim.. Due to strong limboo-dominance since time immemorable in W-Sikkim,; Govt(s) under different government rule had demanded Limboo to be included in St status..to protect and promote the people and culture…It was finally in year 2003.Limboo and Tamang became ST
Thanks to the consistent efforts of various pple like…
Dr. J. R. Subba(Pondak)
Ex CM Sanchamaan Limboo.
Er. S. R Khajum
Mrs Kalawati Subba
and many other pple whose name i can’t remember…
For tamangs or Lamas..
It was due to effort of pple like Sanu Lama plus Dr. Zimba(from Darjeeling) who joined the Limboo ST status demanding bandwagon much later.
I believe name Sikkim..came to existence later ..but real name or word origin comes from Limboo or Subba language……Let me share too…
To be honest I find History very contorted…guys u must have heard about blood botherhood treaty between Bhutia and Lepcha..But have you known that about another treaty too between Bhutia , Lepcha n Limboo pple… . Perhaps people haven’t heard bout it…It is believed that triparty treaty betwwen bhutia,lepcha n Limboo ..(lho men chong sum..name @ something like that) had taken place..for mutual co existence..according to which was supposed to be like Bhutias as father, Lepcha as Mom n Limboo pple as children.
Usually what happens history is always written by victors..and in this case erstwhile Chogyals(Kings) made Sikhim their hegemony. With their flawful victories over the vanquished,
History took a new turn.,. Later so called treaty weren’t respected and the independent territorial power of other two tribes vanished like a soap bubble. An Eg. as follows:
‘I believe that Lepchas in their territory (say in Lepcha SEZ) made other settlers lay the foundation of houses upon big stones or rocks. Those kind of houses are found in villages till today..but these things are not necessarily documented in any dossier by default.’
Some people do needlessly adulate erstwhile Chogyals who in fact never had pure lineage after some time. Even one of the Chogyals had married Limboo princess from Limboowan (Now West Sikkim)..Later Common People were subjugated in their reign .isn’t fact ?Last two chogyals were better…
My point is while bhutia and lepchas always claims to be ethnic tribes of Sikkim while they ignore limbo or Subba people of Sikkim who always happen to live in Sikkim in blithe ignorance of true history and situation.
If u dislike reservation..and always supports merits then …that is another thing..
But Limboo and tamang community in Sikkim are fighting for their rights of political-representations..They are also Gorkhali..they too fights for their right..whats wrong?…